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February 5, 2011

ALL-TIME FAVORITE FORD FALCONS

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Living just four short blocks away from Bishop Ford High School and wishing I had attended the outstanding school at 500 19th street, I watched a lot of basketball up there; practices and games included.

I never understood why Coach Nash only used the half-court during practice; but after learning more about the game, I think I found out why.

I was also lucky to be the head freshman coach under Coach Nash and that experience jump-started my coaching career.  Today I list my all-time favorite Bishop Ford Falcon basketball. (Keep in mind, this list only includes players I watched in person…) And oh yeah, it’s not the best players, it’s my favorite players!

1st Team:

Jimmy Rauthier

Chris Logan

Edgar Dela-Rosa

Andy Purdy

Glenn Thomas

2nd Team:

Warren Whitlock

Willie Lanzisera

Tommy Walsh

Tommy Sina

Danny Leary

3rd Team:

Dennis Nolan

Brian Lang

John Godfrey

Mergin Sina

Frank Giglioli

4th Team:

Tommy Lowney

Michael Frazier

Joe Roggenkamp

Dave Shamoun

Trevor Diggs

5th Team:

Javon Moore

Joe Santos

Jimmy Parker

Robert Blackwell

Neil Gouldsberry

-Steve

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70 Comments »

  1. Coach – From my day ( Holy Name class of ’71 ) I saw Armand Hill play @ Ford – a definite member of the 1st team!

    Comment by Steve McLaughlin — February 5, 2011 @ 5:42 pm | Reply

    • (Holy Name Class of 70) Hi Coach,
      I was wondering where Armand Hill was – I agree – 1st team . I still have his autograph from when he played at Ford.

      Comment by Deborah Roller Hartley — March 20, 2011 @ 3:22 pm | Reply

      • Never saw Armond play. Only players I have seen play in person.

        Comment by hoopscoach — March 20, 2011 @ 3:39 pm

  2. Armond was a great player and great dude. Never saw him play live at Ford.

    Comment by hoopscoach — February 5, 2011 @ 9:26 pm | Reply

  3. That’s very kind of you but I am guessing this was based on your personal friendships with guys from the neighborhood for if it is based on talent I am way down the line! Thanks for the mention with a bunch of good guys!

    Comment by Glenn Thomas — February 6, 2011 @ 10:21 am | Reply

    • It is based on both talent and friendship. I will never forget you getting the start at Xaverian…big night!

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 6, 2011 @ 12:01 pm | Reply

  4. Coach, before Armond Hill, there was Gene Mumford and he was something else to watch !

    Comment by H Mills — February 6, 2011 @ 2:36 pm | Reply

    • Harry, I have heard some great things about Mumford.

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 6, 2011 @ 10:22 pm | Reply

  5. As far me, I agree with Glenn – much appreciated, but I would also put me waaaaaaay down the line. Guys like Paul Daly, Joe Santos, Willie Lanzisera deserve mention. I would put the starting 5 of the Ford 1978 team (Logan, Leary, Dela-Rosa, Daly and Frankie Gigs) against any HS team.

    Comment by Andrew Purdy — February 6, 2011 @ 4:09 pm | Reply

    • Oh no, I left my man Willie off the teams. Major revision expected!

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 6, 2011 @ 10:19 pm | Reply

  6. I second that! Thanks for the props Steve.I spent so much time in the school yard with you i can say without a doubt you were my biggest basketball mentor,you showed me a lot especially how to look cool on the break. Thank’s again

    Comment by BL — February 6, 2011 @ 8:50 pm | Reply

    • Thanks Brian. I know this was a tough list. But hey, we gotta have some fun.

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 7, 2011 @ 1:52 pm | Reply

  7. Gotta say with family pride, good to see Glen there.. I saw him improving all the time…
    Steve Mc Lauglin,
    Hill had a solid pro career..has gotta be the best ever from Ford …. I remember rooting for him to do well but the Knicks to win…

    Comment by jimmy vac — February 7, 2011 @ 4:19 pm | Reply

  8. Steve I would like to tell you about a specific game in which I played as a freshman for the great Forte Bellino.It was one of our first games that we played that year and it was against Power House St Nicholas of Tolentine. They had some amazing talent, Milak Sealy being one of them.All week in practice B kept telling us we would not see a better team than Tolentine and get ready just get ready.B really didn’t know what he had in us so there was a lot to prove,to him and to ourselves. Sure enough Friday comes and in walk the biggest freshman team I ever saw. I must be honest we were a little taken back,all these kid’s were playing AAU already we were just a bunch of scrappy kid’s from Flatbush and Park Slope. Tolentine did not disappoint they were as good as thier billing,but we learned that game we were pretty good also. Going back and forth we had the lead the better part of the third quarter,they took it back going into the fourth.This was a great game,so much that the JV and Varsity came out to root us on. For a freshman game the Gym was packed. On the sideline B was coaching his heart out.Late fourth quarter we are still trading baskets and the score is within 4 plus or minus. We really had them on the ropes,but in the end they got the best of us by 8 point’s. We were heart broken,we didn’t know how B was going to react because we were never in a game or a situation like this before.When we got into the locker room he started screaming I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF A BASKETBALL TEAM IN MY LIFE! WHAT YOU GUY”S DID OUT THERE WAS AMAZING! Three year’s later that Tolentine team went on to become USA Today’s 1988 best team in the Country. That game I will never forget because of what Coach Bellino did for us that night.He made us feel like winner’s even after the harshest loss. He was truly one of a kind. Thank’s for letting me post this Steve.

    Comment by Brian Lang — February 7, 2011 @ 7:45 pm | Reply

  9. I can hear those words coming out of B’s mouth. Great stuff

    Comment by dleary — February 8, 2011 @ 9:17 am | Reply

  10. One of my favorite lines from B as I was having the game of my life against Power Memorial – He screamed from the sidelines…”Leave him alone, he is f—–g unconcsious!”

    Comment by Andrew Purdy — February 8, 2011 @ 9:17 am | Reply

    • Andy, that is a classic line from Bellino. I should write an entry dedicated to B’s quotes.

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 8, 2011 @ 9:45 am | Reply

  11. The greatest quote that I ever heard was in the prescence of Forte Bellino but not actually made by him but in fact made by Dan Mahoney. In the late 70’s we were sitting one night on the Sherman Street steps to PS 154 schoolyard on a hot summer night. A bunch of us were on the stairs talking into the late hours. Someone had a radio on with music. A crabby neighbor comes out of her house and chases us down the street. The lady comes out of her house with her own radio and walks down and sits on Forte’s steps at 104 Sherman St blasting her own radio.
    Forte had that very distinct voice especially when upset says..”Lady what are you doing it wasn’t me?” meaning it wasn’t his radio..So instead if defusing the situation Danny Mahoney says to the lady and points to the radio “Can you put that on WPLJ? Everyone was laughing!
    Can the Chief chime in on this memory?

    Comment by Glenn Thomas — February 13, 2011 @ 9:43 am | Reply

    • LOL…great story!

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 13, 2011 @ 9:59 am | Reply

  12. Glen, I thought that we asked for WNEW and the nightbird Allison Steele !

    At any rate that was one of many very memorable moments down at 154.

    Here are some of my all time favorite Ford players. No disrespect to anyone but I can really only comment on the 1970’s. There were some great teams at the school during that time with many super players

    1.) Armond Hill 71 team
    2.) Chris Logan78
    3.) Charlie Alberti 75
    4.)Willie Lanzisera, Joe Santos 76
    5.) Warren Whitlock 77
    6.) Wayne Harrison 73 or 74 (?)
    7.)Jimmy Routhier 75
    8.)Danny Conlon 71 team
    9.)Edgar Dela Rosa 78
    10.) Rest of the starting five from the 1971 chaimpionship team. (Ray Small, Bob Clark,Kevin Robinson)

    Comment by Dan Mahoney — February 15, 2011 @ 5:42 pm | Reply

    • Danny, some great names on that list.

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 15, 2011 @ 6:35 pm | Reply

  13. I agree with Danny Mahoney’s list of all time great Ford players. I will add some more to that list for rankings and order is not important. First off… the players had to be obviously great players, and second…had to have graduated from Ford.. Here are some omissions that could or should be added to that list…

    Tom Ferro – an excellent HS player, Colgate
    Tommy Walsh – an excellent HS player
    Mergin Sina – played at Seton Hall and later starred at URI
    Charles Jones- played at Rutgers and LIU, led Ncaa in scoring for 2 seasons and briefly played in the NBA
    Javaughn Moore – played and starred at Canisius
    Rob Blackwell – All City selection Boston College and Saint Bonaventure
    Joe Roggenkamp – a terrific HS player and a D-2 player at Dominican College
    Chaz Williams – All City selection, Hofstra and now currently at UMass.
    Dan Leary – was CHSAA All-City (first team) in 1977, starred at the U. of Rochester
    Tom Lowney – also starred at the U. of Rochester

    Comment by Glenn Thomas — February 16, 2011 @ 10:44 am | Reply

    • Is there an echo in here? I had some of those guys you listed…

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 16, 2011 @ 10:56 am | Reply

  14. Danny was listing the best players based on talent and had some of your players omitted. You had a different criteria (that’s why I was listed! LOL) He missed some great players that played later on at ford that perhaps he didn’t see or forgot! I prefer your list of course! LOL! Afterall beggars can’t be choosy!

    Comment by Glenn Thomas — February 16, 2011 @ 2:30 pm | Reply

    • “You made a major omission”…who made that quote famous?

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 16, 2011 @ 2:33 pm | Reply

  15. That was “Forte” referring to Cubie in our Summer League list! He was right! That was a huge omission!

    Comment by Glenn Thomas — February 16, 2011 @ 11:26 pm | Reply

  16. Dear Coach, I am beyond flattered to be mentioned as one of your all-time favorite to watch. I literally am speechless. I know that you saw many players with a lot more talent than me on that court. I can only assume you placed me there because of my work ethic and because you know that I left everything I had out there all four years I played. I played for the best : Coach Steven “Red” Finamore, Coach Dennis Nolan, Coach Dan Pisselli, the late Forte Bellino (my mentor who I miss so much) and The Infamous Raymond Nash. I will chime back in soon to this blog with some memories I had at Bishop Ford. I thank you again for this honor. Thank you.

    Comment by David Shamoun — February 17, 2011 @ 1:21 pm | Reply

    • David, you were a pleasure to coach and a joy to watch play ball for Ford. Now go get your shine box!

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 18, 2011 @ 8:01 am | Reply

  17. Hey Glen ,”Big Ommision” on my part not listing Danny Leary, Tommy Ferro, Paul; Daly,Tom Lowney et al !

    Like I said a lot of great players, tough to remember them all !

    Spent some time with Chris Logan last night . He say’s hello to you, Coach and everyone on the blog !

    Comment by Dan Mahoney — February 18, 2011 @ 4:04 pm | Reply

  18. @ Danny,
    I will have to go up to The Palm and see him. Its tough with 3 little ones these days to walk to the store let alone a dinner out!

    Comment by Glenn Thomas — February 19, 2011 @ 11:11 am | Reply

    • Take the 3 kids to the Palm…Hop on the train and make a day of it!

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 19, 2011 @ 2:05 pm | Reply

  19. Red –
    One more name that should be added to any list…
    Mary Kawas – One of the 1000 Point scorers for Ford.

    Comment by Andrew Purdy — February 20, 2011 @ 12:50 pm | Reply

    • You know, I put much thought into Mary K. Great call…

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 20, 2011 @ 2:34 pm | Reply

  20. @ Andy Purdy and Hoopscoach!..Great call on Mary Kawas! A 1,000 point scorer at Ford and later at Saint Francis College (NY). Mary was an excellent player! She and her family just moved back to the neighborhood after trying out Raleigh, NC. Its great to have her, Gerard and their kids back in Windsor Terrace!

    Comment by Glenn Thomas — February 20, 2011 @ 5:28 pm | Reply

    • Better yet, Mary K had a perfect attendance record not only for four years at Ford but 8 years at Holy Name. Never missed a day! WOW.

      My only question, did she ever miss a class at SFC?

      Comment by hoopscoach — February 20, 2011 @ 5:40 pm | Reply

  21. Probably not her GPA at Saint Francis was too high! LOL!

    Comment by Glenn Thomas — February 21, 2011 @ 6:56 pm | Reply

  22. Who’s Dan Mahoney? Did he attend Ford? Whatever you

    smoked before compiling that list please don’t be shy and

    pass it on to the rest of the community. Hey Glenn…you

    obviously did not attend many games during the 77-78

    season, not to mention games down the West 4th and

    Rucker schoolyards.When you mention fellows, whom are

    all guys, such as Willie Lanzisera, Joe Santos, Warren

    Whitlock, Tom Ferro and Tom Walsh and say they were

    “great” players you are basically insulting the players who

    were.

    Comment by Skydog — March 31, 2011 @ 4:35 pm | Reply

    • Skydog, did someone forget to list you?

      Comment by hoopscoach — March 31, 2011 @ 5:37 pm | Reply

  23. HC

    Lists are something to have fun with and everyone,

    including myself is entitled to an opinion.The word

    great has been used too often in this thread.Like I

    stated previously, Tom Ferro, Willie Lanzisera, Joe

    Santos, Tom Walsh and Warren Whitlock were all

    good guys, just not great players.Just examine

    the records…all of their teams underachieved.

    If one is compiling a list of great Ford players start

    with the team from 1971, continue with the 1978

    squad and include the team with Blackwell and Jones.

    Look closely at those teams and their players’

    contributions and even Hoop Amateurs like Dan

    Mahoney and Glenn optonline.com Thomas may see the

    light of day.

    Cheers

    Comment by Skydog — April 2, 2011 @ 11:10 pm | Reply

    • Skydog, nice name by the way.

      You are right, everyone is entitled to their opinion. The word ‘great’ is universal, and some use it a bit different than others. My list was composed of guys that I watched and enjoyed. The selections were “my all-time favorite” players (Keep in mind, this list only includes players I watched in person). My favorite players does not necessarily mean they were the best or most talented Falcons.

      This is a subjective list…

      Feel free to post your player list.

      Steve

      Comment by hoopscoach — April 3, 2011 @ 4:10 pm | Reply

    • SkyDog, What Bishop Ford alum did I miss from the 77-78 squad? The starting team was Daly, Delarosa, Leary, Giglioli, and Logan with Tommy Collins, Guy Pepe, and Kevin Courtney off of the bench. I was a freshmen that year and was at almost every game exept for the Tuesdays where the frosh were separated from the JV and Varsity games. As for Rucker and W4th I had the opporrtunity to be there and coach with a team. Tom Lowney played in both of those leagues when I coached. The players that came later such as Javaughn Moore, Charles Jones, Rob Blackwell, and Burke (Ray Burke’s younger brother) were listed. Whom did I omit? This list was based on favorite players and as Coach Red wrote the term “greatness” can encompass many things. I listed players that were great to me for when I was younger I looked up to them. The 75 team with Routhier, Alberti, Whitlock, Igor Smailia, and Harry Nelson was my favorite team. There was no “quantifying” of great players at Ford for this was based on memories and certainly players that should have been on the list were left off with no malice. This whole topic was designed to be fun. Instead of criticizing me perhaps you could enlighten the readers and me with the omissions and specifically name your players, What great players did we miss that were graduates of Ford? By the way the Rucker has not been called the Rucker for quite some time for it has been called The Entertainers Classic since the early 80’s? Even I know that. Where have you been? I at least coached down at W4th Street in Kenny Graham’s league in the early 80’s. Playing in those 2 leagues doesn’t guarantee that a player was great and we were talking about Bishop Ford players not park players that went to Ford.

      Comment by Glenn Thomas — February 1, 2013 @ 11:34 am | Reply

      • Glen, that was a special team., they should have won he CHSAA back then., It was Logan, Leary, Gigs, Egar and Daly starring 5., he used Collins, Courtney and Pepe off the bench and added Lowney after the JV was done. That team and the team the year after of, Logan, Collins, Pepe, Courtney, Lowney and Sina should have won as well. Why they didn’t? Coaching, it’s that simple.

        Comment by MIke — February 1, 2013 @ 12:06 pm

      • I remember the 77-78 team very well. I was at probably 2/3’s of their games. I went up to Stepinac when they won their tournament. I was at he game when Edgar blocked Tony Bruin from behind to seal a win. I was at the CHSAA Quarterfinals when Ford beat a good Tolentine team with Mike Moses and Andre Langford only to lose to a very good Holy Cross team with Glen McMillan and Derric Scott along with future Seattle Mariners catcher Dave Valle but i am an amateur. What do I know! LOL!

        Comment by Glenn Thomas — February 1, 2013 @ 3:21 pm

  24. Hoopcoach, how about Guy Pepe and Tommy Collins?
    Pepe was the best box and 1 defender I ever saw and Collins was a bulldog in the paint and on the glass….he did the dirty work back then.

    Also, have Lowney and Egar on the list but Daly was hell of a point guard as well.

    Comment by Mike Arpaia — May 16, 2011 @ 2:38 pm | Reply

    • Mike,

      Yes, Collins and Guy are well deserving too.

      Thanks for reading the blog.

      Comment by hoopscoach — May 16, 2011 @ 5:34 pm | Reply

  25. someone sent me link
    i went to many games at BF,..Four of my brothers went and played there….remember more Joe & Thomas”s team…not mentioning where i think my brothers fell in “All time Friends List”..of top Ford Falcons..but who i saw…i’d say Tommy Walsh was unreal…and playground legend on 65street park …jump and strong…Tom Lowney,…Gigs…..Logan,,,,Leary,,,,,Edgar D…..not in any order,one of the better loong range shooter i saw was Steve Downes,,,a player who went there,who never got career going,was grammar school legend Billy Thurlow…all time player as a kid…never got going in High School..i became friends with group of guys from 84 team…GREAT group of guys,,,,Daly,Thurlow,Purdy,Mergin,Keith,Dano Woods…Galleta…Leon..prob missing names,,,also petey G
    .some GREAT people on list..skills wise…and more important people skills…can still remember Logans senior year,,,the talent they went up against,,Red Bruin-McMillan-Vern Fleming…packed gyms…was exciting..Ford-Xaverian etc…traveling by bus to nazareth etc,,,
    Steve Collins…

    Comment by steve collins — October 16, 2011 @ 10:47 am | Reply

    • Steve,

      Thanks for checking in. You bring back great memories. Bay Ridge produced so many good athletes. And like you said, good people too.

      Stay well and thanks for writing.

      Comment by hoopscoach — October 16, 2011 @ 11:43 am | Reply

  26. coach its john godfrey thanks for mention …its an honor i do not deserve.i don’t even make all holy name team that went to ford i do have to mention Steven Downs name to be added to list.

    Comment by john godfrey — February 15, 2012 @ 6:44 pm | Reply

  27. Steve thanks for ranking although i dont even make all Holy Name tthat played @ Ford. Thanks for vall those names though brought back alot of memories

    Comment by john godfrey — February 15, 2012 @ 7:02 pm | Reply

  28. The best that went to Ford and did not play for team and was a legend at St. Mary’s parish and the CYO league. Who am I talking about? And this guy had all the tools, just not very big But the top 3 of all time is Armond Hill, Gene Mumford and Chris (Tiffa) Logan after that there are 30 guys to chose from to finish the first team. Its a tough call but I think my top 3 are not even close with the others. Just my opinion.

    Comment by Lee Smith — April 19, 2012 @ 9:39 pm | Reply

    • You talking about Gerard Genievive from St. Mary’s?

      As for top 3 all-time, my post is about my ‘favorite’ players; not the best.

      Your opinion is valuable.

      Comment by hoopscoach — April 19, 2012 @ 10:08 pm | Reply

  29. We have a winner.I always wondered how Genievive would have done playing for Ford. He had so much talent .

    Comment by Lee Smith — April 20, 2012 @ 6:13 pm | Reply

    • What is Gerard up to these days. He was a CYO legend! How come he never played for Ford?

      Comment by hoopscoach — April 20, 2012 @ 8:22 pm | Reply

  30. His Cousin who lives in NJ said Gerard still plays in an adult league. I graduated with Gerard and have not seen him in years. I do know why he never played for the Falcons and seeing the names of others who contributed to this board they also know why. I would rather not say why, let someone else give their opinion. It was a hot topic in school from 71 to 74. But I believe he would have started for them if he played. Just my opinion.

    Comment by Lee Smith — April 20, 2012 @ 8:44 pm | Reply

    • Lee,

      Ya gotta give me a little time to approve the comment – takes a few minutes my man. We’ve had some awful comments posted in the past.

      As for Gerard, we try and reach out to him.

      My friend Glenn T said Gerard later went on to play at NY Tech.

      Comment by hoopscoach — April 21, 2012 @ 6:55 am | Reply

  31. One other thing about all the names of former players that people mentioned on this board there is one name that really needs to be on here and even though he had no use for me, I still have to be honest. He should be named as one of the better players from Ford. He started JV as a freshman and then started 3 years for varsity as a soph, jr and senior.Had a very, very good career as a falcon.And all you Holy Name guys here and no one put his name down. Just my opinion .

    Comment by Lee Smith — April 20, 2012 @ 9:01 pm | Reply

  32. What happened to my last two posts?

    Comment by Lee Smith — April 20, 2012 @ 9:23 pm | Reply

  33. OK waiting to be approved.

    Comment by Lee Smith — April 20, 2012 @ 9:24 pm | Reply

  34. Guess I was shut down?

    Comment by Lee Smith — June 25, 2012 @ 2:01 pm | Reply

  35. You have to be kidding me

    Comment by Charles jones — September 2, 2012 @ 5:42 pm | Reply

    • Sorry man, you started the game, but I subbed you out!

      Hope you are well.

      Comment by hoopscoach — September 2, 2012 @ 6:04 pm | Reply

  36. You can’t be serious

    Comment by Charles jones — October 24, 2012 @ 3:46 pm | Reply

    • I’m a former player at Ford myself. I use the term player loosely because I was permanent fixture on the bench next to coach nash which I was more then happy with. I learned alot from sitting there and being involved in the practices now I am a the head coach of the bronx high school of science so I see Gods design in everything. With that being said Red I can’t believe charles jones rob blackwell javon moore trevor diggs winston gordon winston cousins chaz williams and ARMAND HILL are not 1st 2nd or 3rd team. I can’t believe that. Charles Jones is the best player ever to lace em up at Ford!

      Comment by sam brown — July 23, 2013 @ 2:05 pm | Reply

      • Other than Armand Hill, Chris Logan was the best to every lace them up at Ford hands down. Blackwell was really good but Logan was special.

        Comment by Mike — July 23, 2013 @ 2:42 pm

      • Mike,

        Loved Chris Logan’s game. Was also and still is a great guy. Never had an ego, never big-timed anyone. Down-to-earth…

        Comment by hoopscoach — July 23, 2013 @ 2:53 pm

      • I remember him well., back in 79 they were awesome with Guy Pepe, Dan Leary, Tommy Collins, Courtney, Lowney…they year before they had Daly and Edgar as their starting guard with Logan, Gigs and Leary upfront if I’m not mistaken.

        Comment by Mike — July 23, 2013 @ 2:56 pm

      • Sam,

        Thanks for visiting and adding.

        Sam, Sam, Sam…you teach at Bronx HS of Science?

        Here is something you overlooked in my entry:

        Today I list my all-time favorite Bishop Ford Falcon basketball. (Keep in mind, this list only includes players I watched in person…) And oh yeah, it’s not the best players, it’s my favorite players!

        I never saw Armond play. So that excludes him. Rob and Bam are on a team. Scroll down a bit.

        And again Sam, it’s not the best players, it’s my favorite players. Big difference.

        Enjoy the weather.

        Comment by hoopscoach — July 23, 2013 @ 2:43 pm


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