(On the neighborhood tour, I left you, the reader, off at Howard Place. For a quick second though I want to take a detour from our scheduled tour)
We can all agree (most of us anyway) that growing up in Windsor Terrace was special. As a youngster the friendships formed, our time with legit cousins, family gatherings a few blocks away (my cousins lived on Fuller Place), the rivals, the fights, arguments, sports played together and of course the all-important love interest.
This morning I asked a friend from out here (Michigan) if he knew another guy from a different area, located about 10 miles away.
“Nah, I don’t deal with those people from (name of area left blank)…
I found it very hard to believe him.
Also, last night one of my players told me they were driving up to where I live to play some other guys. They wanted to see what the ‘comp’ was like and how they stacked up.
Then there’s this policy of living in a certain zone to be able to attend a certain school, or I think they put it another way, ‘Schools of Choice’.
It got be thinking about kids from other neighborhoods.
I’m not sure where the cut-off was/is for Windsor Terrace but areas like 5th avenue, 21 street, St. Saviors and IHM parish were locations I met a lot of outstanding people during my upbringing.
Maybe you met someone in high school, or even later in life when you went out into the workfield, you saddled up next to a co-worker and found out they got off the ‘F’ train at 7th avenue or even Ft. Hamilton Parkway. And of course someone blurted out, “Small world huh?”
I hate that term.
What about when you were a youngster, say ages 13-18? Did you meet anyone from outside of Windsor Terrace?
But before you ventured out, did you have a preconceived notion about that neighborhood? The kids living there? Did you think they were richer, smarter, or tougher?
Was it always on your mind to see what kind of people they were?
Throughout the years I was able to meet guys like Jackie and Billy Ryan, Turk, Ron Hardy, Chris Ryan and Danny Leary; just a few guys from I.H.M. I had the pleasure of hooking up with down at East 5th street park while going out to explore other basketball courts and match up with different competition.
Terry Green, Al, Chris Johnson, Carl Manco, and even Chris Logan; all guys from St. Saviors who I also played ball with down at the 9th street YMCA or even 51’s schoolyard. Carl ran a pretty good basketball league in St. Saviors gym and I think I played in one game total. All I recall is watching David Quinn, Colin’s brother go off every time I made the trek with the Cullen’s to watch them play.
The guys from 21st street, who everyone thought were these rough and tough mafia-type kids with leather jackets and ‘ba-ba’ shoes. They drove around in Monte Carlo’s with music blasting. They hung out on the corners sipping beer and at times would come up to the schoolyard and play us in basketball. It was funny watching them run up and down the court in tight Jordache jeans, wife-beater t-shirt with countless tattoos, numerous gold chains dangling from their beefed-up necks and ‘ba-ba’ shoes without socks.
What’s so special about these ‘neighborhood border-crossing’ relationships is that I still keep in contact with many of them. You know what, after all these years, these guys were no different than we were.
No matter where or when it was, we were always able to branch out and meet other kids from different areas. We hopped on our bikes, snuck on the train, took the bus and sometimes we walked…
I wonder if kids do that today.
When I started playing baseball with the Knights of Columbus at about age 12, I started going out of the hood to hang out. I would go to Carroll Gardens and learned how to play tennis from Joey Ienuso, (FORD ‘78)… we’d go out to Bay Ridge and he;d kill me in tennis and I’d kill him in hoops.. Edgar Delarosa was on our baseball team and he stole alot of bases for us.
When you go to high school out of the area, you start going out the neighborhood more and more..I played hoops in Bensonhurst and Fort Green (which is the 70 s were as different as you can get), filled in as a coach for PAL. I enjoyed the “exploring” .. having said that, during the summer, I was in the HN every minute I could ,playing hoops when I was’nt playing baseball…
Jimmy,
Good stuff. Edgar is currently an assistant basketball coach at Manhattan college located in the Riverdale section of New York.
I am going to give a list of Basketball players from HolyName that I would walk into any Neighborhood an be confident this team could whoop some ass. This was not easy so here we go.
PG-Best natural athlete I saw in HolyName-Orlando Pabon, His Sub Edgar Delarosa.Honarable mention Jim Maloney JR
Small Foward-Maybe the best basketball player in HN history Gerard Trapp, His sub Charlie Alberti I heard this guy was some ball player.Hon mention Kenny Stratton.
Power foward- Bobby Trapp I heard his game was rock soild.His sub Andrew Purdy Hon Mention Patty Burn’s
Center-Gerard Frazier great low post moves soft Hand’s.His Sub Jeff stratton Soild Player on both sides.Hon mention Chris Robinson his size was scary.
Shooting guard- The best women basketball Player in the neighborhood MK Kawas her sub Steve Finnamore He used to pull up on you and say “TRENT”lol.Hon Mention Brian Lang Hey they nicknamed him “LARRY” lol
Now let’s get on the Train to the Rucker and kick some butt.lol
P.S. to last post I’m still in my 30’s so don’t be hurt if I left some talent of the above list.I’m sure you can interchange most of the above.
Jimmy Ruthiar shooting guard
Gerard Trapp small forward
Edgar Delarosa point guard
Charlie Alberti power forward
Tiffer Logan Center
bench
Richie Deer
Bobby Trapp
Willie Lansasera
Joe Santos
Waterboy: me
tiffa is from St Savior
i thought we meant the neighborhood as a whole since Logan went to Ford..I would swing Charlie to center and Booby Trapp to PF…
The neighborhood had alot of good players.. the ones I saw from 74-81 that were very good all around players.. the Trapps could rebound, defend, adn pass.. Jimmy R was a great passer..Santos and Deer were great shooters.. that was the way we were taught to play.. there were no 1s or 2s.. just players
You guys are completely out of your minds. The All Neighborhood team would consist of these guys and the players that would come off the bench.
Point guard – Edgar De La Rosa – St. Francis (NY) , Dominican National Team.
2G- Jim Routhier – St. Francis (NY)
#3- Gerard Trapp- Villanova/St. Francis, All City -All Hallows
#4-Charlie Alberti-Iona college, All-city – Bishop Ford
#5- Bobby Trapp- Although not a true center Bobby was one of the five best players from the neighborhood.
Other more deserving back-ups than ones that were listed.
Tommy Ferro – Colgate, Joe Santos-Pace, Jimmy Maloney-Colgate, Richie Deer-Towson State, Dan Piselli -MVP -Bishop Ford. Gerard Fraizer – Wagner, All-Brooklyn -Nazareth HS
Artie Lee- Bishop Ford., Jim Vackner-All time leading scorer Cathedral HS (Bklyn), Brian Keating-Siena, Xaverian. Danny Conlon-Scranton
GlennT,Most of the player’s on your list are on mine. It’s selective these other player’s on my list left an impression on me.You still left MK off your list.She could play with the boy’s.As far as Edgar vs Orlando everyone I ever met back in the day said if O had structure with school he play’s big time college ball.Glen that was your championship they won at Ford hope all is well.your a good guy-BL
Great debate! It has been on my mind for a while to blog about the best ball players from the neighborhood. If you go back a few months, I’m sure I wrote something about some of the outstanding players.
You have to keep in mind, are we ranking/rating players from their overall career success or just when they played at Holy Name and some of their teenage/young adult days.
Because I will say this, Chris Robinson dominated CYO play.
Great discussion though…
Steve,be honest how good was O.With structure what could he have done.
Glen,
I was far from the all time leading scorer at Cathedral Prep.not even close… We had a guy Ray Brown who averaged over 30 a game and did not take that many shots. Eugene Liotta and I got Ray to come to HN and play. Ray was 6 feet and quick with a great jumper. He and Jimmy Ruthiair played each other about even.. Ray also went to St. Francis on a basketball scholarship.
. I was happy to get my 15-16 a game at Cathedral.
But thanks for mentioning me with those other guys..
Watching,listening, and getting yelled at by some of those guys can teach you how to play real fast.
I forgot about Artie Lee .. solid all around game…
BL,
O could’ve been one of the best for sure…he was unstoppable too in CYO.
We will have to make a list for guys ‘that could’ve been good’.
LOL
I have to go with Edgar though – smart, tough, great defender and loved to hit the open man.
Thank’s coach.I never got to see Edgar play or GT or BTor most of the HN great’s. I feel like I missed something special.Keep up the good work -BL
All good selections
Here are 3 more that should be on the list…
1) Frankie Cullen
2) Steve Finamore
3) Brian Lang
BL, I am coaching at Nazareth now. I left Ford two seasons ago.
A FEW TO MENTION
1………..ALLAN LANG.POINT GUARD
2………..CURTIS WALKER …….GUARD
3……….MIKE BUNNY BUNDRICK,.,FWD
4……….JOE HURLEY……………GUARD
LOTTA MORE TO MENTION….,PEACE ,,,,
JOHNNY FIN
Wow, Curtis “Sky” Walker now that’s a blast from the past. That guy had huge hops! He was on a very good team team from 17th Street that McBear’s sponsored.
One year Jimmy Routhier and Richie Deer had a squad that beat them for the title. Joe Farrell was on the squad as well along with Hank Fifield, Jimmy Martin, Micky Deer and myself. I think Danny “The Chief” Mahoney was also on that squad but I am having a real problem recalling everyone on those two teams. As always, the atmosphere was pretty electric the night of the final. There was nothing better than playing in a big game under the lights with what seemed like the entire neighborhood watching.
Here’s my take on a couple of teams from the open division when I was playing.
Parkside – The Wild Bunch, was a group of really talented ballplayers including Pat Burns, Mike Bunny, Johnny Fin, Ray McNeil, Joe Sully, Joe Hurley, Mike Routhier and others. These guys really scrapped. Fiercely competitive bunch.
Team Ferro – The Straight Shooters, Mark, John, Tommy, Billy & Ricky Ferro as well as Artie Lee & Willie L.. This squad was always a very tough draw come playoff time. They were all heady ballplayers who played very solid defense and made you pay for your mistakes.
Team Kash – The Regular Joes, Played with this group for a couple of years and they were a fun bunch featuring Joe Farrell, Gerard Kash, Lou “Shoot from Anywhere” Weber. Joe “Fonz” was very crafty and scored in a lot of different ways, Gerard could really shoot and Lou had this funky stepback off the dribble with a very awkward looking motion, but boy when he was on he was unstoppable.
17th Street – The Show Stoppers, there was a lot of speed in that lineup but sometimes speed kills. They palyed at 100 miles an hour so TO’s would mount in a hurry but they could really wear a team down if they tried to run with them. I enjoyed playing against that style becuase I could keep up.
Farrells – The Consummate Professionals, by the time I was playing in the Open division a lot of the regulars from the very good Farrels teams had moved into other stages of their lives. The teams I faced were lead by Vinny Brunton and Marty Lang and a very tall center Mike ??? (I can not recall his last name). These guys were very business like in their approach to the game. they were also very physical and they loved to try and get into your head. Marty was one guy who was great at that.
Team Routhier & Deer – The Two Headed Monster, Jimmy & Richie played a great two man game and they were both tremendous at taking advantage of guys trying to double-team them. They had a knack for finding the open many, could knock down jumpers and were not afraid to score in traffic.
Just my $0.02!
Jerry
Team Ferro was an offf shoot from team Brooklyn. Team Brooklyn consisted of the Quirks( Willie, Pouch, and Paul), Wille Lanizera, Artie Lee, Mark and John Ferro, and Danny Piselli actually played with Brooklyn the last year 1980 because he wanted to play with a winner! Team Ferro started the last year when tommy finished school at Colgate and consisted of all 5 Ferros ( Tommy, Billy, Mark, John, and Ricky), Mike Scotto and a few more that I forget.
But you are forgetting the one team that won the last Summer League Middle League Championship in the summer of 1980. “OTB” won it that year. We were called OTB for everyone on the team played the ponies! Forte Bellino was the founder and coach.
The OTB team consisted of Forte Bellino, Dan Mahoney, John Brown, Joe Farrell, George Brossard, Gerard Kash, John Godfrey, and Hank Fifield, and myself. Dan Piselli did not want to play with us for he wanted to play with a winner that year and chose to play for Brooklyn! We all know how that turned out! LOL! Even Joey Corrar was cheering “OTB” in the yard the night we beat Team Ferro for the championship!
Great insight. OTB did win the last title.
Who said, “DON’T WORRY, I GOT CORRAR LOCKED UP?”
Glenn, Good call on Team Brooklyn. I was actually thinking trying to remember more of that squad and knew that I was somewhat comingling two teams. My apologies for leaving out the Quirks and Danny P.
I did forget to list OTB above which was a big error on my part. OTB was a very interesting squad loaded with guys who came from several of the other teams that I listed above.
Coach, that Chicken George quote on locking up Corrar is one of the best ever from the yard.
old friend turned me on to this website, does anybody remember my good friend Rudy K. ? I grew up on 13th street between 8th and 9th ave. spent many saturdays at sanders movie theater, saw many movies such as karate flicks and the exorcist etc… hung out in ps 107 school yard, sleigh riding at prospect park, then went to is88 john jay highschool, i remember slick and lala scared me to death, is sean riley did he used to hang out with bozo and kevin avlerizez who died on 8th ave sorry to say, i worked in C and S meat market on 7th ave and 8th street i used to deliver meat on the heavy bicycle. i also played football for st. savior church in early 70’s peewee league, does anybody remember the pool hall they opened on parkside circle?
Are you guys forgetting about a guy with a decent shooting touch? Jackie Ryan? Not even an honorable mention? Then again when he finds this site, he’ll probably vote for himself enough to win !
Oh yeah, a few other guys from down the hill, The Leary’s, all of em, Danny, Billy, and Timmy, Georgie Holmstead, Iggy, Richie Martin, Dennis Walsh, & Billy Musgrive before life got in their way. All a bit older though Trapp would remember them. Alberti and Jimmy Ruthier were my are get my votees too.
Anybody looking for the Ferro’s or Dan Conlan can find them down in Breezy. Conlan still doesn’t pass and Mark Ferro will still hack you up.
Randy,
Jack is for sure one of the greatest shooters to ever step on the court.
wow we were The Mcbears team because Barry moved to 17th street…LOL Danny The Chief Mahoney, Tito Martinez, Gammy Martinez, Greg Woody Woods, Ray martinez,Curtis Sky walker, Kenny Ebanks, we went all out to recruit e5th street Black Jack Ryan,Timothy Medolark Kemp..LOL.. Wow we had fun,, But Richie Deere and Jimmy Ruthier was too much that night,,,, We nicked named John Carrar :”The Wizard”. I got that name from Tommy Kash.LOL
Peace Yall
Timothy Kemp
MSW
Alabama State Unviversity
Timmy Kemp, WOW! Coach has brought us another blast from the past. we used to have some great runs in that old schoolyard. Alan Lang was on that squad as well, no?
Hope all is well with you.
Jerry
TK was a leaper! Good guy too…
Alan Lang had game!
Coach,
Alan Lang was very quick and was a reall good on ball defender. TK was out Dick Clark. He never seemed to get any older. LOL! Plus, TK introduced me to the rap genre with the Fatback Band’s King Tim III.
Jerry
Yo, GT I still got a great set shot.. I,m putten it on my grandson..LOL GT me and Jose, pedro delarosa and Alex are chillaxen in the south.. Its a nice place to retire….Very quiet. GT you gotta come visit… peaceful. bring the Finnamore too. 91/2 months of summer. LOL… I remember when I first moved to NYC in ‘72 Thank God I met all Good people who liked to hoop.
Dick Clark LMAO……
TK
It works if you work it since AUG 26 ,1993
NA
Randy, that list that most guys had made up was from the local Holy Name guys. If the list was expanded to the IHM and to St. Savior´s parish then of course Jackie Ryan and the rest of those guys that you mentionedwould get on that team for no doubt they were indeed excellent players in their own right.
Sorry for the confusion! -GT
Just found the sight. Reading these comments brings back some memories. Gerard Trapp, my idol by the way, I think it was the red hair, is still one of the best players I’ve seen. I dont know the other guys, but hands down Edgar is the best guard to come out of HN. Unbelievable defender, unselfish and could score when he had to. Just wish I could explain what the schoolyard meant to all of us to my kids. Great stuff, Dan Leary
Randy, thanks for mentioning the guys from e 5th. 3 on 3, tough to beat the Ryan brothers.
I think of all those great players we have up there, the one un-debatable 1st team “All Neighborhood” (being a neighborhood purist, I would Holy Name parish only) was Gerard Trapp. What a pleasure it was to go down to St. Francis College, see the stands packed with neighborhood people to root on one of our own. Gerard had a deep range, it’s a pity he never played with a 3 pt. line. Had a guards handle and a great passer.
If you did “All School Yard”, or “All Summer League” outside of Edgar, who I thought had the closest style of game to Walt Frazier I’ve ever seen, great defender, rarely made turnovers, great passer, and like Dan Leary said, could score when the team needed him to, I thought Gammy Martinez had the best handle I’ve ever seen, like the ball was on a string. I think he also ignited the greatest comeback in summer league history, with him and Hank Fifield in the backcourt.
3 of the possible 5 for IHM “All Neighborhood”
Jack Ryan- shooting guard
Dan Leary- forward
Randy Ryan- center (at about 6′1″!!)